Thursday, December 08, 2005

Idiocy Watch

Via NDTV, India must sign NPT: Norway

Yeah, right. Someone please tell these European non-entities to mind their own darn business. And, while they are at it, they may wish to read the following, then reconsider their foolish condescension:

Via Reuters, US looks to India as new global ally


doubtinggaurav said...


I am afraid that this and other demands of si milar nature is going will voiced too frequently considering US-India dialogue.

China will be next.

Further I understand that you are ardent supporter of America and being an Indian you will naturally want to see these two counteries together.

My position is more circumspect (realist ,you may say), while 9/11 combined with opening up of Indian economy has brought a better understanding and appreciation of India for America, America is still infatuated with Pakistan.

"War on Terror" notwithstanding the claims is still an american war, with no benefit for India.

The only reasons that I can think for American engagement with Pakistan is that either America is being too dumb or too smart.

Pakistan is a time bomb and sooner or later it is going to hurt everyone, India being the worst affected.


history_lover said...

Primary Red ,the thought of Norway lecturing hurts us Indians.Perhaps we need to keep that in mind the next time we or your favourite - the US lecture other countries. Or would you say Norway does not have the right to lecture us while we have the right to lecture others ;-)

libertarian said...

history_lover, "hurts us" are strong words - they're more of an irritant that needs to be ignored. This grand, futile gesture serves no purpose except having Norway reinforce it's pacifist credentials.

dg, I hardly consider this a demand. Further, Norway wouldn't dream of voicing this sentiment if it were home to a Nokia or an Erickson or a Bofors that sold to the the Indian market. In other words - they've not got much to lose, else they'd be more careful.

My reaction to their statement - the big "Whatever"!

Pankaj said...

My reaction to their statement -"the middle finger".

Jaffna said...

Internet colleagues,

Good to be back on the internet after bumpy roads, winding paddy fields, overfull tank reservoirs and deluxe hotels. I return to the countryside next week.

Norway is certainly entitled to its views. The point, however, is that their opinions do not count (and never will). That country has elected a new left wing government - hence the grand empty gesture with no meaning.

I share Gaurav's words of caution with regards to the United States. I am reluctant to trust the Department of State, although many more wise than me, do speak of an emerging Indo-American strategic equation. In fact, Norway has traditionally been a front for the Americans - witness the failed Norwegian attempt to broker an Israeli-Palestinian accord in Oslo in the early 1990s and the ongoing facilitation in Sri Lanka.


Jaffna said...


I checked out the Reuter's piece which made an interesting read. It is possible that many in the current US Administration share the views expressed by Thomas Donnelly of the American Enterprise Institute. But it still does not explain the (i) reluctance of Washington to date on the issue of a permanent seat for India in the UN Security Council (the US has supported Japan's candidacy but not Germany's); (ii) United States conceding Pakistan "major non-NATO ally status" (which might be a formality but is still significant given that the other countries included in the list are Israel and Japan); and (iii) some other studies commissioned by right wing think tanks aligned with the Bush administration take a position on Kashmir that is clearly not in India's interest.

Primary Red said...

On US-India, critics are missing the forest for the trees. This is exactly like critics looking at pending Indian challenges (poverty, illiteracy, infrastructure gaps, inept bureaucracy) to dismiss naively its mind-numbing overall advance.

While this blog has frequently dismissed the significance of UNSC, and explained why incumbents will conspire to keep new folks out (yes, even Japan) -- to set the record stright about US, it has publicly stated that it will support Japan plus one other (which has been correctly interpreted as India, since Germany and Brazil will never get US support).

Best regards.

Jaffna said...

Primary Red,

I concede that many do miss out the forest for the trees. In fact, I do it all the time :-)

And I do not rule out the possibility of a solid Indo-American strategic equation in the years to come. Thomas Donnelly argues that Australia, Britain, India, Japan and the United States share common interests. He might well be correct.

I would however urge caution given (i) the foreign policy experience in the past 50 years (despite the fact that the post-Soviet era has meant an entirely new configuration); (ii) that not all in the Bush administration necessarily share the same view (i.e. the Donnelly perspective); (iii) the unclear US role in Pakistan and Sri Lanka; and (iv) the continued reluctance on the part of several in the American intelligentsia to concede India's its role in the international arena.

Hence, the continued relevance of Russia to India’s foreign policy. This does not imply an anti-Americanism. Just a realization that options (as opposed to a straight jacket ideology) are central to foreign policy.

Let me end once more with the caveat that the Indo-US strategic equation might well take off. But let that first happen.

Best regards


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