tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9237907.post114010924994606979..comments2024-03-06T00:30:08.915-08:00Comments on Secular-Right India: India's Civic IdentityUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9237907.post-1140330949790084762006-02-18T22:35:00.000-08:002006-02-18T22:35:00.000-08:00Primary Red, honestly speaking, you are disgusting...Primary Red, honestly speaking, you are disgusting. In your system of circular logic, anybody who does not agree with you is a 'bigot' and their diagreement with you itself is proof of 'bigotry'. <BR/><BR/>Here is a definition of 'bigot' from the dictionary:<BR/><BR/>Main Entry: bigĀ·ot<BR/>Pronunciation: 'bi-g&t<BR/>Function: noun<BR/>Etymology: Middle French, hypocrite, bigot<BR/>: a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices<BR/><BR/>Guess on whose leg the shoe fits?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9237907.post-1140299642770823192006-02-18T13:54:00.000-08:002006-02-18T13:54:00.000-08:00Dear Anonymous:We've been extraordinarily consiste...Dear Anonymous:<BR/><BR/>We've been extraordinarily consistent on the issue -- as have you been, albeit you on the side of perptuating the bigotry.<BR/><BR/>Unless one is really dense, its not that difficult to understand how we can find bigotry in the cartoons without compromising our contempt for jihadists.<BR/><BR/>As far as what Mr. Gill has to say, we just needed to make sure no impression is left standing that somehow we have implicitly or explicitly endorsed the "root cause" argument.<BR/><BR/>Best regardsPrimary Redhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16140741949208891119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9237907.post-1140288673608298992006-02-18T10:51:00.000-08:002006-02-18T10:51:00.000-08:00Dear Primary Red, how about being a little less to...Dear Primary Red, how about being a little less touchy and defensive? You have been jumping gun left, right and center on this cartoons issue. That menion of "root cause" argument is not mine, Gill's! Those paragraphs are excerpts from his article.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9237907.post-1140267743315224332006-02-18T05:02:00.000-08:002006-02-18T05:02:00.000-08:00Since you clearly have little idea on what this bl...Since you clearly have little idea on what this blog stands for -- especially on the "root cause" argument, we draw your attention to a post that should give you some pause before you start judging us for having personally found the cartoons offensive (even though we aren't Muslim):<BR/><BR/>http://secular-right.blogspot.com/2005/07/answering-contemptible-charge.html<BR/><BR/>Since we aren't part of the root-cause crrowd, your question is misdirected.Primary Redhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16140741949208891119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9237907.post-1140245957724165462006-02-17T22:59:00.000-08:002006-02-17T22:59:00.000-08:00KPS Gill's article on Cartoons Controversy is a mu...KPS Gill's article on Cartoons Controversy is a must read:<BR/><BR/>http://www.dailypioneer.com/indexn12.asp?main_variable=EDITS&file_name=edit3%2Etxt&counter_img=3<BR/><BR/>Offensive though these cartoons may have been - and they were not offensive to at least some Muslims, who saw in them, not an insult to the Prophet or the faith, but rather a critique of the unrelenting violence that has become the defining character of much of the Muslim world - the criminal incitement and calls to 'butcher/kill/behead those who insult Islam' have only reinforced the images the cartoons reflected, "allowing mass hysteria to define Islam's message"...<BR/><BR/>Indeed, why is it that all occasional and invariably qualified criticism of these terrorists is accompanied by vague justifications of the need to 'understand root causes' and the 'hurt' caused to the 'Muslim psyche'? Is the 'Muslim psyche' uniquely susceptible to injury?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9237907.post-1140192136727462162006-02-17T08:02:00.000-08:002006-02-17T08:02:00.000-08:00anonymous: your rants lose credibility behind that...anonymous: your rants lose credibility behind that facade of anonymity.libertarianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05258039856928341788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9237907.post-1140189998137769752006-02-17T07:26:00.000-08:002006-02-17T07:26:00.000-08:00While Primary Red hides behind the shield of bigot...While Primary Red hides behind the shield of bigotry, brave newspapers all over Europe have published the Mohammed cartoons. So has "the Weekly Standard". Applying PR's rubric I guess all of these media outlets prefer to "get off on bigotry". PR is a self styled neo-con running away from his self proclaimed roots. Surrender to the jihadists only <BR/>inflames their passions, and does not douse them. They do not believe in civic norms and institutions. There are two seminal events in the history of Independant India. The first, was the hijacking of the Indian Airlines plane, and the second <BR/>the attack on the Indian parliament on Dec 13. In both cases the confused "Sangh" government surrendered to the jihadists. Did the attacks <BR/>stop? They never do and never will until the jihadists are crushed.<BR/>Introducing reservations for Muslims is just another form of surrender. It will not stop the jihadists and will certainly erode the civic identity of the Indian state.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9237907.post-1140183873701714712006-02-17T05:44:00.000-08:002006-02-17T05:44:00.000-08:00Good point Jaffna. India's Civic identity, as you ...Good point Jaffna. India's Civic identity, as you put it, is a much under-utilised thing, especially by the government unfortunately.<BR/><BR/>This government is following on in the tradition of the Nehru-Gandhi family - divide and rule. And the common folks bear the brunt.<BR/><BR/><BR/>btw states re-org'n started in 1956 (Karnataka was created, for example), and some archival excerpts from that era (courtesy Deccan Herald) throw up interesting facts. Like how most of the Kannada speaking people actually opposed the formation of Karnataka(then).<BR/>Also if I recall right, Punjab was an existing state - Haryana and Himachal Pradesh were actually carved out of Punjab.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9237907.post-1140175132032660852006-02-17T03:18:00.000-08:002006-02-17T03:18:00.000-08:00"Scratch any Hindu and you get a live Sanghite."Ut..."Scratch any Hindu and you get a live Sanghite."<BR/><BR/>Utter rubbish. As far as the cartoons are concerned, you may prefer to get off on bigotry, we don't. Finally, your understanding of the Reagan years shows how out of touch with reality you are.<BR/><BR/>Best regards.Primary Redhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16140741949208891119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9237907.post-1140160348286235892006-02-16T23:12:00.000-08:002006-02-16T23:12:00.000-08:00Primary Red talks about the religious polarization...Primary Red talks about the religious polarization created by the sangh parivar. Why blame the sangh? Scratch any Hindu and you get a live Sanghite. <BR/><BR/>He also proudly proclaims that he is a neo-con. Does he comprehend <BR/>who is a neo-con? They are the people who did not want detente and did not want Reagan to negotiate with Gorbachev. Ronald Reagan pushed them aside and <BR/>entered into a comprehensive treaty with the Soviet Union, the results of which are apparent today. Only when George W Bush pushes aside the neo-cons in his cabinet will he be able to come to grips with the Iraq situation and deal with it in a realistic way. The neo cons and Bush push for freedom and argue that freedom will triumph over jihadism. This <BR/>position reveals a lack of understanding of Islam and jihadism.<BR/><BR/>And if he is a neo con why does Primary Red not have the "balls" to publish the Mohammed cartoons on this website??? Nervous eh?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9237907.post-1140130316148833022006-02-16T14:51:00.000-08:002006-02-16T14:51:00.000-08:00While the overall premise of your argument is sens...While the overall premise of your argument is sensible, its important to not ignore the profound religous polarization created by the sangh parivar. The blame for such cynical politics merits being spread across our political spectrum -- not just at the Congress.<BR/><BR/>It is also true that Indian Muslims have fallen behind the rest of their compatriots -- in large part due to a self-created isolation. This surely merits some focus -- although the government-heavy approach being pursued currently is gravely misguided.<BR/><BR/>Best regards.Primary Redhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16140741949208891119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9237907.post-1140120972587543792006-02-16T12:16:00.000-08:002006-02-16T12:16:00.000-08:00Excellent article.I am not optimistic though.There...Excellent article.I am not optimistic though.There is no political will in India to overturn caste based reservations.If private sector reservations are introduced also, it is going to crush the aspirations of the middle class.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9237907.post-1140115256363708512006-02-16T10:40:00.000-08:002006-02-16T10:40:00.000-08:00With the Congress and Communists at the helm of af...With the Congress and Communists at the helm of affairs, this was indeed expected of them. Lots of people went euphoric after the elections that it was a victory of Progressives over the alleged Divisive forces.It should be apparent who is divisive and regressive?Infact <BR/><BR/>It has been a time-honoured tradition in the Congress to circumvent laws either by amending the constitution or by ignoring it.<BR/><BR/>As long as the present coalition of sycophants and national-traitors continues, one can look forward to more blows to the country.<BR/><BR/>We are going to miss the Devlopment Bus again.<BR/><BR/>Jai Kisan Jai Jawan.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com